tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post3049696795999162988..comments2024-02-01T04:37:41.878-05:00Comments on Cap'n Transit Rides Again: Frequent transit in Hudson County, New JerseyCap'n Transithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-5216620001356387242015-01-05T01:46:02.659-05:002015-01-05T01:46:02.659-05:00Raisa, I think you can take any of the buses from ...Raisa, I think you can take any of the buses from Anderson Avenue in Fort Lee to Nungessers and change for a Kennedy Boulevard bus. You can also stay on the bus to 56th and Bergenline and walk west to Kennedy Boulevard.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-90928174296015027442014-12-29T10:03:23.881-05:002014-12-29T10:03:23.881-05:00I am interested in going from Fotlee NJ to 56th st...I am interested in going from Fotlee NJ to 56th street in Kennedy Blvd.. is there any stop in fortlee from where the Spanish buses run to Kennedy?Raisa Saifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08041737000148946842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-10156516509155709192014-11-15T16:39:01.216-05:002014-11-15T16:39:01.216-05:00@threestationsquare -
There is at least one (poss...@threestationsquare -<br /><br />There is at least one (possibly two depending on interpretation) routes in New Jersey that operate a 10-minute midday weekday schedule missing from your map.<br /><br />1. Coach USA (O.N.E. Bus) #24 from Scotland and Central in East Orange to Broad and Jersey in Elizabeth. The route splits into "A" and B" branches at those points; but the ultimate end points of both branches at both ends is the same (Erie Loop in Orange and Jersey Gardens Mall in Elizabeth respectively.)<br /><br />2. In addition to the vans on Boulevard East in Hudson County, NJ Transit's combined 128/165/166/168 covers the same territory with a weekday midday headway of 10 minutes or better, if you don't consider this a duplication of the vans.<br /><br />Note: Until recently, there was some NJ Transit service in the Atlantic City area that operated on a 10-minute headway; but I assume with the recent casino closings, service was cut back. (Maybe it still operates on a 10 in the summer, as NJT beefs up many of their Jersey Shore routes after Memorial Day.busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-13296520090146519002014-10-26T00:28:23.573-04:002014-10-26T00:28:23.573-04:00Cool! What about the Atlantic City jitneys, though...Cool! What about the Atlantic City jitneys, though? I've never taken them, so I don't know how frequently they actually run. http://jitneyac.com/routes.php<br /><br />I personally think that 12-15 minute headways make a huge difference in commuting over 20-30 minute headways, so I would be interested in a map that showed those.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-82233311892317383872014-10-12T18:17:55.462-04:002014-10-12T18:17:55.462-04:00Using the 10 minute midday headway (essentially &q...Using the 10 minute midday headway (essentially "as frequent as the subway") standard used by <a href="http://pedestrianobservations.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/frequent-new-york-city-buses/" rel="nofollow">Alon</a> and <a href="http://nytransitmaps.tumblr.com/post/55978292831/new-york-ten-minute-network-map-version-2-0" rel="nofollow">others</a> for NYC, it seems the only really frequent buses in all of New Jersey are the jitneys and a few NJT lines around Newark, so I made a <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/UImUu" rel="nofollow">frequent network map</a> of the entire state with this standard. Let me know if I'm missing anything. (There are a lot more places with 12 or 15 minute headways, or with two 20-minute-headway routes that aren't synchronised and so don't provide 10 minute headways.)threestationsquarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02211550407397056258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-36966627934956297592013-11-24T19:44:21.118-05:002013-11-24T19:44:21.118-05:00@Sergio Duran pt. 2 -
I haven't been back to ...@Sergio Duran pt. 2 -<br /><br />I haven't been back to North Jersey in some time; but I just looked up the No. 88 bus schedule. Some pretty wicked service reductions, especially off=peak and weekends, were made about a year ago.<br /><br />To make matters worse, in the Jersey City portion of the route during many times of the day, alternate trips operate on Central Avenue in Jersey City instead of on Kennedy Boulevard, creating one hour gaps in service on Kennedy Boulevard in Jersey City. So, if you need to get to/from the Kennedy Blvd. section of the route in Jersey City (and cannot use the No. 2 or No. 125) and choose not to walk to/from Central Ave. at the times buses use Central or to use the jitneys, you could be waiting for a bus for a long time.<br /><br />If this is the case, I would suggest you complain strongly to NJ Transit and demand an explanation.busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-50877227146037900012013-11-09T20:30:15.426-05:002013-11-09T20:30:15.426-05:00@ Sergio Duran - The No. 88 is a New Jersey Trans...@ Sergio Duran - The No. 88 is a New Jersey Transit contracted route; so complain to Customer Service at NJ Transit, either by phone or from the website at www.njtransit.com (You can also obtain the current timetable from the website and the timetable has the current schedule and customer service phone number.)<br /><br />NJ Transit has recently introduced a feature called MYBUSNOW that tracks buses on most routes in real time. You can access that from the website home page. I just checked and it shows buses on the 88 route; so you can determine when the next bus is actually going to show up (assuming the equipment on the bus is working properly.)busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-53190882721062663802013-11-06T21:12:48.340-05:002013-11-06T21:12:48.340-05:00dels says
Can anyone suggest where to complain or...dels says<br /><br />Can anyone suggest where to complain or get accurate information as to what is happening on the 88 bus on Kennedy Blvd.? I think they are short of drivers and there are long stretches of time (up to 45 minutes or more) without any buses. Very frustrating!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12481228805210967520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-83764147235677538232012-08-16T06:57:00.927-04:002012-08-16T06:57:00.927-04:00A bus that comes every 30 minutes midday is not fr...A bus that comes every 30 minutes midday is not frequent.<br /><br />Even with local stops on Route 4 you do Paterson-168th in about 0:33 (since those local stops are still much farther apart than Manhattan subway stops), and if half the trains run express with timed overtakes or something then you can push 0:25. Add this to 0:23 168th-42nd (on the C) or 0:18 (on the A) and you get better travel time than on the bus, plus service to Garden State Plaza and Bergen Town Center, Fort Lee, Washington Heights, Columbus Circle, etc.Alonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267294744186811858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-47649627907404793572012-08-14T21:08:58.274-04:002012-08-14T21:08:58.274-04:00I didn't say anything about it being awful, Ad...I didn't say anything about it being awful, Adirondacker. This is a Frequent Network Map, and those lines are not frequent enough for the map. Other lines are. That's how it works.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-64223490396137227532012-08-14T15:22:32.932-04:002012-08-14T15:22:32.932-04:00It's just awful that NJTransit runs the number...It's just awful that NJTransit runs the number of buses needed on a route instead of the number of buses that you, by looking at map, think should be running. Positively atrocious that the 10 starts running at 4:30 AM and the last bus leaves at 2:30 AM, only 22 hours a day and that it dips down to every 20 minutes a when demand is low. <br /><br />The 1 runs once an hour between Newark and Jersey City because no one wants to go to the swamp. If they live in Ivy Hill and want to get to Exchange Place they get off at Penn Station and take PATH. <br /><br />... and no one in Paterson, unless they have a masochistic streak is going to take a train to Washington Heights so that they can transfer to the A when there's a frequent bus at the corner that takes them the Port Authority Bust Terminal and Times Square. <br /><br />http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/bus/T1151.pdfAdirondacker12800https://www.blogger.com/profile/17108712932656586797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-52495280088050666072012-08-14T01:25:41.572-04:002012-08-14T01:25:41.572-04:00Thanks, Chris and Busplanner! Turns out that I mi...Thanks, Chris and Busplanner! Turns out that I missed a whole page full of NJ Transit bus routes. But when I looked at them, only one had midday frequencies below 20 minutes: the #87.<br /><br />Adirondacker, the #1 only runs once an hour to Exchange Place, and once to Journal Square.<br /><br />The #10 runs every 20 minutes middays, but I put the Kennedy Boulevard south corridor on there because the report says that there are also vans that run every 20 minutes midday. Between the two, frequency is probably every 10 minutes on average.<br /><br />I've updated the map to add the Kennedy and #87 routes. Please refresh if you don't see them.<br /><br />Alon, I think Route 46 is a better route in Fort Lee/Palisades Park, and then the trains can hook up to the Suzy-Q to Paterson.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-74214821445174648532012-08-13T23:03:55.267-04:002012-08-13T23:03:55.267-04:00I didn't expect to find no New Jersey Transit ...<i>I didn't expect to find no New Jersey Transit bus route in Hudson County that comes more than once every twenty minutes during the middle of the day.</i><br /><br />The 10 runs every ten minutes. I didn't go looking past that. I suspect the busy routes serve Journal Square. The schedule for the 10 notes all the buses you can transfer to. You can transfer to PATH at Journal Square and the 1, 2, 6, 43, 64. 67, 80, 83, 84, 87, 88, 119, 125 and 319. I'm not going to go look but if bus numbering logic in Hudson County follows bus numbering logic in the rest of the state the 119 and the 125 are interstate routes or maybe long distance intrastate routes and the 319 is a shuttle to an employment center in the 'burbs somewhere. <br /><br />... The 1 runs all the way to Ivy Hill in Newark. I'm not going to go look, once every ten minutes during the day kinda line, between Penn Station and Ivy Hill anyway. Like lots of other bus routes in Newark. Or the 10 in Jersey City and Bayonne. <br /><br /><i>Still, it seems to me that in thin markets like everything west of the Hackensack River (Secaucus, Kearney, Arlington, East Newark and Harrison) they would provide more frequent service, but apparently not.</i><br /><br />There's a great big swamp in the middle of Hudson County. Not many people want to go to the swamp. The people west of the swamp, even though they live in Hudson County are in suburbs of Newark, not Jersey City. To them it's a very suburban place, they drive to most destinations not in walking distance.Adirondacker12800https://www.blogger.com/profile/17108712932656586797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-15260978170852207942012-08-13T21:00:15.128-04:002012-08-13T21:00:15.128-04:00@kleptopaul - Two questions:
1. What jitney rout...@kleptopaul - Two questions:<br /><br />1. What jitney routes serve parts of Hudson County not covered by conventional bus routes? The report does not discuss any.<br /><br />(I will acknowledge that Meadowlink, a TMA that receives funding from NJ DOT and NJ Transit, operates some shuttles from Secaucus Junction to Harmon Meadow during peak hours, a movement that cannot easily be made by bus.)<br /><br />What evidence do you have that Hudson-Bergen Light Rail is to be extended to Xanadu (now American Dream)? The Meadowlands Rail spur off the Pascack Valley line is designed to serve that market.busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-40477905922116318542012-08-13T20:52:06.748-04:002012-08-13T20:52:06.748-04:00@ Cap'n - Actually, I had read the study. I p...@ Cap'n - Actually, I had read the study. I phrased my comment to be kind. (It is true that the #87 is barely mentioned. However, the #84 is mentioned in a number of locations.)<br /><br />While I would rate the study overall as good, there are numerous errors and sins of omission, from the minor ones that creep into most consultants work to some fairly major ones such as being too lazy (for lack of a better word) to obtain the Montgomery and Westside spans and frequencies. You had a link to these in your posting under A@C Transit (which is the other half of the company's operations).<br /><br />@kleptopaul - The #87 is a longer route than you suggest. It operates beyond Journal Square to Gates Avenue in southern Jersey City, a few blocks north of the Bayonne border. busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-68299136171656019132012-08-13T20:39:39.706-04:002012-08-13T20:39:39.706-04:00Cap'n: my personal fantasy is to extend the C ...Cap'n: my personal fantasy is to extend the C to Paterson mostly elevated over Route 4, and then make the Fort Lee-Journal Square line something like a Jersey G. Only without the sucking.Alonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267294744186811858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-85869854660636894682012-08-13T10:51:43.274-04:002012-08-13T10:51:43.274-04:00The Jitneys, while leaving a lot to be desired in ...The Jitneys, while leaving a lot to be desired in terms of cleanliness and comfort, put NJ Transit buses to shame. The best route in Hudson County is probably the 87 due mostly to the relative brevity of its route (JSQ to Hoboken Terminal). Other lines are terribly unreliable. You also have entire stretches of the county that arent accounted for by any public transit besides the jitneys. The light rail was constructed in the least efficient but most politically expedient way possible to link the Gold Coast with the planned Xanadu uber-development in the Meadowlands and has caused consternation by making it very easy for kids with bad intentions to commit crimes in one part of the County and have a fast and easy escape. Many people wont take the light rail after 8 or 9 pm due to the knuckleheads who hang out on it late at night. Because the stations are so remote in some places, people feel very unsafe and isolated. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-61779966575178111052012-08-13T10:37:10.712-04:002012-08-13T10:37:10.712-04:00Check page 4 of the report. NJ Transit routes 84 a...Check page 4 of the report. NJ Transit routes 84 and 87 are in the frequency table, which is organized by intra vs. interstate, by corridor, etc.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03454353616923753491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-53493738635916212512012-08-12T21:56:03.452-04:002012-08-12T21:56:03.452-04:00You haven't read the study yet? Go do it! It...You haven't read the study yet? Go do it! It's well-written and relatively short. They got the frequency information for the vans by sitting there with a stopwatch. It may not be completely accurate, but it's probably good enough.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-18317396094743950452012-08-12T21:49:57.970-04:002012-08-12T21:49:57.970-04:00@Cap'n - I excuse you if you relied on the NJ...@Cap'n - I excuse you if you relied on the NJTPA Study authors for your route and frequency information.<br /><br />But that raises an interesting question. If they could miss routes like the 84 and 87 (and, I assume other NJ Transit routes that compete with vans; but have only a 20 minute headway midday; how accurate are there frequency counts for the vans, especially since the vans do not print schedules?busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-18873352821503662012012-08-12T21:46:10.951-04:002012-08-12T21:46:10.951-04:00Well, I wouldn't say no to a Bergenline Avenue...Well, I wouldn't say no to a Bergenline Avenue subway, Alon! And I would run it across the GWB to Washington Heights. But I'm guessing that the people who live on top of the ridge there don't have much political power, so the politicians don't see much reward.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-91505053452847824792012-08-12T21:36:34.218-04:002012-08-12T21:36:34.218-04:00Busplanner, if that's oversight on my part, it...Busplanner, if that's oversight on my part, it comes from trusting the NJTPA study authors, who don't mention the #84 or #87. I'll put the #87 on the next map.<br /><br />I also considered the 165/166 on Boulevard East. But in Hudson County, those and the 84 run on streets parallel to the vans, and the vans run much more frequently. I mainly left them off to reduce clutter.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-89900675589431705862012-08-12T21:28:50.785-04:002012-08-12T21:28:50.785-04:00Okay, so instead of hinting it, I'll come out ...Okay, so instead of hinting it, I'll come out and say it: what reason is there not to build a "Jersey G," going mostly under Bergenline from GWB Plaza to Journal Square?Alonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267294744186811858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-31540093308537180752012-08-12T20:36:29.008-04:002012-08-12T20:36:29.008-04:00I would just like to point out some oversights on ...I would just like to point out some oversights on your part where NJ Transit (either a single route or a coordinated headway) offers a 15 minute or better headway on weekdays during the midday.<br /><br />1. 10 to 15 minute frequency (usually 12) on #87 between southern Jersey City and Hoboken - entire route(van competition on a small segment only).<br /><br />2. 15 minute headway on #84 - Journal Square - Nungessers (North Bergen) via Bergenline between Journal Square and 30th Street in Union City (major transfer to buses heading west out of Hudson County) - heavy van competition. Additional service between Journal Square and a portion of Palisade Ave. in Jersey City by #87.<br /><br />3. 7/8 minute headway on Bergenline Avenue between Nungessers and 48th Street Hudson Bergen Light Rail Station and 15 minute or better headway continuing to 31st Street and transfer to buses heading west out of county. (#22 to Hoboken leaves Nungessers at :10 and :40; #156 to PABT leaves at :17 and :47; #84 Bergenline trips to Journal Square leave at :25 and :55; and #159 to PABT leaves at :02 and :32. The #156 turns at 48th Street creating the 15 minute gaps south of 48th St.)- heavy van competition.busplannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927124679758449424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-69653793844055376682012-08-12T10:49:16.761-04:002012-08-12T10:49:16.761-04:00Good question! I've revised the map to show t...Good question! I've revised the map to show that the Bergenline buses continue north through Fairview. All of the buses from the Port Authority and some of the ones from Journal Square turn around in the parking lot of the A&P at the Cliffside Park town line. Some of the Journal Square vans continue north to Bridge Plaza in Fort Lee, and a significant number go across the George Washington Bridge to the terminal at 179th Street, but I don't know the frequencies.Cap'n Transithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.com