tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post2177716930402903799..comments2024-02-01T04:37:41.878-05:00Comments on Cap'n Transit Rides Again: Why do transit planners love park-and-rides?Cap'n Transithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-90111549825249316102012-02-16T22:08:50.633-05:002012-02-16T22:08:50.633-05:00I read a study (Kim, Ulfarsson, and Hennessy) that...I read a study (Kim, Ulfarsson, and Hennessy) that actually determined, among other factors for why they liked park-and-rides, where there is little or no transit oriented development at a light rail station, passengers felt safest when driving to and from the station rather than bus/walking, and adding park-and-rides may actually increase ridership in areas with high per-household car ownership.Janna Bananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02584476738486082393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-56339436698691556072012-02-16T11:14:36.633-05:002012-02-16T11:14:36.633-05:00There are dozens of park-and-ride lots in the Twin...There are dozens of park-and-ride lots in the Twin Cities region that don't have any bus service. The intention is that they can be used for carpooling, and some van pools use them too.<br /><br />...but now I'm wondering about how many of them were built as air quality mitigation efforts as James mentioned -- pretty unlikely they'd have any tangible effect there.Mike Hickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15257599090818492294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-49349132794358836752012-02-16T10:55:48.791-05:002012-02-16T10:55:48.791-05:00David, that's why park-and-rides are best incr...David, that's why park-and-rides are best incremental solutions. Unfortunately, transit planners don't recognize that.<br /><br />Cap'n--there are situations where park-and-rides are useful in the long term. These situations occur, however, exclusively where mass transit lines and <b>existing</b> freeways cross--prominently middle beltways approx. 10-15 miles out from the city center (like I-495 and I-695 around D.C. and Baltimore, respectively). The reason for this is because of balance: when done properly they can extend the "pull" of transit to <b>existing</b> autocentric suburbia where it is difficult, if not impossible, to actually densify and build new transit. If improperly or excessively done, however, a situation arises where park-and-rides actually exacerbate sprawl...<br /><br />A pithier way to put it, I suppose, is that park and rides are like chemotherapy: a weapon we can use in our fight against sprawl, but if improperly administered, self-destructive. <br /><br />And what you're reacting to is the fact that the way they're administered is <i>always</i> self-destructive.Steve Stofkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14825368520377993845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-35211999229558392122012-02-16T10:27:50.403-05:002012-02-16T10:27:50.403-05:00There's also the matter of getting political s...There's also the matter of getting political support for your transit investments. When there are park & rides, then more people think, "Hey, I could drive down and ride that train. Go ahead and spend my tax money."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052115379347179338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-13277871347471832802012-02-16T03:53:30.500-05:002012-02-16T03:53:30.500-05:00Reading your title, I thought this post would be a...Reading your title, I thought this post would be about park and rides like this little beauty.<br /><br />(Make sure its not on 45 degree mode to see the latest image)<br />http://g.co/maps/44eb5<br /><br />That sir, is how planners decided to mitigate air pollution caused by a massive freeway widening. Your examples have transit. No bus has served or ever will serve that park and ride.James Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00948509061118072998noreply@blogger.com