tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post5511903856882041727..comments2024-02-01T04:37:41.878-05:00Comments on Cap'n Transit Rides Again: About those long transit commutes...Cap'n Transithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17057887736728828646noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-17062259954501111132011-10-07T02:46:15.393-04:002011-10-07T02:46:15.393-04:00Cap'n, can you do the same analysis for workpl...Cap'n, can you do the same analysis for workplace geography rather than residential geography? Litchfield County, Ulster County, and other satellites of New York have very few transit commuters, and those are usually people driving to a commuter train to Manhattan, which skews everything.<br /><br />With workplace geography, for people who work in Stamford and Greenwich, transit riders are richer than drivers: presumably, the former group is dominated by reverse commuters from Manhattan.<br /><br />I don't know of any other place for which it is true. Even for people who commute to work in Manhattan, <a href="http://www.factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-context=st&-qr_name=ACS_2009_3YR_G00_S0804&-ds_name=ACS_2009_3YR_G00_&-CONTEXT=st&-tree_id=3309&-redoLog=true&-_caller=geoselect&-geo_id=05000US36061&-format=&-_lang=en" rel="nofollow">drivers are richer</a> - $62k vs. $48k.Alonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267294744186811858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-54438368638440368192011-10-06T12:51:01.287-04:002011-10-06T12:51:01.287-04:00Nice post. Can you elaborate a bit on the methodol...Nice post. Can you elaborate a bit on the methodology? Did you simply pull these numbers down from the American FactFinder? If so, can you please provide the table ID? Since the 2010 ACS microdata hasn't been released yet, I'm guessing that you used the tabular data, but would really like to confirm that this is the case. Thanks!Rob Pitingolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10273110931175509169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-71476612641784324432011-10-06T01:29:01.244-04:002011-10-06T01:29:01.244-04:00Wait: In the NYC MSA, transit riders don't hav...Wait: In the NYC MSA, transit riders don't have higher incomes than car users? I guess within the outer boroughs (not to Manhattan), there are a lot of transit users, but they have lower incomes than the ones who travel by car in the outer boroughs.<br /><br />I guess out in Chicago, the suburban office parks don't pay as much as they do here in NYC.George Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288033149559815848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-38159358986586470802011-10-05T22:48:53.804-04:002011-10-05T22:48:53.804-04:00Can you look at this data with lower margins of er...Can you look at this data with lower margins of error in the 3 year or 5 year ACS? Really interesting.Sillihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806433366389639322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-31721051684013752962011-10-05T13:04:04.937-04:002011-10-05T13:04:04.937-04:00Chicago also caught my eye. I think it could just...Chicago also caught my eye. I think it could just be that a large percentage of the transit use in the region is to downtown (regardless of income) and the jobs downtown are higher paying.<br /><br />Andrew's explanation for the division of MSAs could make sense for why Chicago was on the list and NYC wasn't. There really aren't many other places with extensive regional commuter rail and a very large percentage of jobs in the CBD(s). Maybe Boston or even DC? How do they stack up?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388615060405992105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-30575959537123093762011-10-05T09:46:47.336-04:002011-10-05T09:46:47.336-04:00I notice that the Chicago area is the only "b...I notice that the Chicago area is the only "big city" metropolitan area on the list (it has approximately 10x the population of the next biggest metropolitan area on your list, Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, although of course as you note the latter is part of the greater NYC commuting area.)<br /><br />At least from my personal experience, I know a number of reverse commuters via transit to the suburbs, people who could certainly afford a car if they wanted to, but choose not to own/use one because of the hassle involved with keeping it in Chicago, living in the city being important to them. Then again, in the greater scheme of things, young reverse-commuting professionals are only a small stream compared to those who commute inward to the Loop or suburbanites commuting to other suburbs.<br /><br />It'd seem that Chicago would show up on the list because of the high number of wealthy white-collar workers commuting in on Metra; but Chicago is of course not the only metropolitan area with a robust commuter rail system here. I wonder if it's because all the outlying suburbs are counted as part of the metropolitan area, as opposed to the NYC area, where the commuting area is so large that areas like Trenton or Bridgeport are broken off, whereas places like Kane or DeKalb counties are included in the Chicago-Naperville-Joliet MSA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5862444008740250372.post-29998091692784272852011-10-05T08:49:25.662-04:002011-10-05T08:49:25.662-04:00I guess we should do what we can to help poor peop...I guess we should do what we can to help poor people over rich people, whether or not they take transit, right?Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08520811734907587902noreply@blogger.com